High IQ Can a Man Truly be Free?

[Lord_hierophantūs]

Can man be free or does he need a master? I'm going to make a big post about this subject, for this political question I ask you to genuinely consider this and what effects this would and will have on you if such a philosophy and view is upheld. I expect no half-ass answers; therefore give your best answers whether in full paragraph or in general that you wish to participate. Here is an excerpt from the future post. Please be as honest as you can be and give a well detailed answer to the question.

Chapter 1

"Can man be free or does he need a king?"- Unknown​

Now I ask you the user are you free? And can you exercise your freedom responsibly? The biggest question is do you even know what responsibility is or who you even are? Government when thought and effort is put into understanding, government is the belief that man has the right to rule over man I.e. someone can tell you what to do and what you cannot do. Whether or not you believe in higher powers or believe in this ask yourself this one question; what has been the purpose of your life and what have you done as a human being to figure it out? In truth many of us run away, in the past many were ill-equipped for the task at hand so it simply was not possible unless you had the opportunity, but even if one plays close attention to the past we find the following:




1. information was held in the hands of the few, such as aristocrats and the priest class or those of wealth.

2. Common people were not allowed access to that information.

3. Power was always held within the hands of the few such as the king, priest and nobles.

 

[ThirdyAughtSix]

Can man be free or does he need a master?

Noone is truly free , everyone is a slave to something. Their desires , God , money ,government, whatever. Without such restraints we would become beasts no better than any animal. The master of the animal is man , and thus when you become a beast you are liable to be enslaved by one of your own. Pornography , Video games ,Vanity ETC. Though one may perceive themselves to be free they are enslaved by their own condition, for example maslows hierarchy of needs , though you may live in the woods by yourself you still face the restraints put upon you by your own primal needs. Food ,water, shelter and the desire to do more. Though humanities goal is the elimination of attrition and the elements , the ability to be shackled has forever been an innate condition of all beings.

 

[ignika98]

Now I ask you the user are you free? And can you exercise your freedom responsibly? The biggest question is do you even know what responsibility is or who you even are? Government when thought and effort is put into understanding, government is the belief that man has the right to rule over man I.e. someone can tell you what to do and what you cannot do. Whether or not you believe in higher powers or believe in this ask yourself this one question; what has been the purpose of your life and what have you done as a human being to figure it out?

I choose to be free, therefore I am free. My only responsibility is to myself, my family and friends, and the world my children will inherit. My freedom allows me to decide how I shape myself and the world around me. I choose to be someone who defies expectation, the exception to every rule. The rules of man only matter as much as they can be enforced, and therefore it is my freedom to choose whether to follow them or not. There is no iron law of the universe compelling me to obey. I suppose you could say that has been my life's purpose as well, although I don't have a singular reason for being. Rather, I have an ever evolving set of goals that I accomplish and shifting motivations that change as I grow, learn, and achieve things throughout my life.

I am beholden to no man, no God, no system other than the laws of physics and nature. To say one is not free because they are bound by those laws is foolish, as those are the very laws that allow us to exist in the first place. There are a finite number of grains in a sandbox, but that does not mean there isn't an infinite number of things you can create within it.

 

[jnoj]

"Can man be free or does he need a king?"- Unknown​

I think a question we should ask first is, what does it really mean to be free? We can go by the online dictionary definitions:

1. Not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes. "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"

2. Not or no longer confined or imprisoned. "the researchers set the birds free"


I think the second definition might be more apt here, as I do not know what is meant by "power of another". Is "another" a person? Is "another" a government body? This could go on forever, since there's a lot of ambiguity.

I don't think anyone, at a fundamental level is really "free" or "not confined". With this being said, not being "free" does not necessarily equate to leading an unhappy or meaningless life. We all are held down by, responsible for, or confined by something in our lives, whether it be our family, our surroundings, our body, or our minds and personalities.

At an atomic level, we are slaves to the way nature itself works. We cannot change the fact that things hit the ground when we drop them, so we are not "free" from this.

At a societal level, we are not "free" from our desire to connect and interact with others.

At a physical level, we are bound and shackled by our bodies, only allowed to do what our body is physically capable of doing.

There are obviously ways we can "escape" some of these responsibilities for periods of time. That could be through spending time alone, reading, writing, drawing, etc. away from others. That could also be through psychedelics or sleeping to escape our mind or body. But at the end of it, what goes up, must come down.

That's not to say we are not afforded freedoms. We are free to create and experience and have some agency with how we spend our time on Earth, but only within the confines of what our natural, societal, or physical "Kings" allow us.

Thanks for reading.

 

[nagolpeso]

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. - John 8:32

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. - John 8:36

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 Corinthians 3:17

Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. - Romans 8:21

 

[cultofgettingoutofcults]

i'm not sure if i can sum up all my understanding in a couple of lines here in a way that what i'm communicating is heard the way i intend. also i've never learned how to use forums. but here's my attempt at both:

the question "can man be free" needs to address the understanding of freedom first. there are two initial directions to bring the definition- one, the word "freedom" is without restriction, and the other freedom is within restriction. can there be freedom without restriction? man needs air, man needs food, man gets tired, man gets hurt. that means freedom has restrictions. so does that mean man can never be free? i would say that there is no freedom from everything, so the meaning of freedom shouldn't come with it the impossibilities- that sets everyone up for failure. what is an electron free from a proton? something that doesn't grow into something stronger like iron or even hydrogen. without the systems in the universe we were born from, we wouldn't be, so there would be no 'free'. so the systems in the universe have somewhere in it the potential for freedom. it's the restriction of time/space, mass/gravity that led to us being here now talking about freedom. the movement from simple to complex led to the first, as we know it, creatures with the ability to make decisions and talk about them with verbal language.

we'll never be free from time, at the very least we can never take back that at one point we were beholden to time. time gives us opportunity, so freedom, to be a meaningful word that expresses what we all feel (and we all know we feel a need for freedom because it's a sold and stolen commodity), must reflect something attainable. unless we were all put here to suffer. we weren't. that's known because men cause the suffering of other men; to know for absolute fact we were put here to suffer, we would have to isolate the thing outside of man that causes suffering and then give numeric value to what's left over, whether it causes pain or pleasure.

following this system, there is a very attainable freedom that stupid, lazy, and evil in man is preventing. it takes a lot of words to convey and a lot of changes in perspectives to understand those words. there is a system of self control that is best for the self and everyone else and the path to that self control reveals true freedom. it fits like a glove and collects all the power of the individual that's dispersed throughout the systems that control him to complete the cycle from conqueror of the world to conqueror of the self. there's so much that can't be known/remembered about the self until the individual takes back control of self. and there freedom can be seen for its shape, not the shape we give it.

there's a clear cut path away from politics, culture, religion. those three things are so stupid, fake and gay that it forces retardation and inevitably submission. i hope i added to the conversation