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Observational Report on the Mariana Bay's Current Progress & Growth

Hello all, I thought I'd write up a progress report to document how the Mariana Bay is progressing and how we can improve. I'll cover what's being done well, what's ok but not great, and what's frankly bad and needs immediate looking into. This is all my personal opinion but I'm going off what I've observed and been told by people who have visited and used the site. Feel free to drop your opinions below this post for your opinions and views on this matter too as I'd appreciate them, thanks. Without further ado, let's begin with what's observed{:

THE GOOD

+People really like the site's aesthetics and layout

+Plenty of features have been added that have been received well and are used

+A good few regulars already and almost at 100 members

+Articles have loads of clicks and attention

+Good amount of threads with active discussion

+YouTube account getting loads of hits and attention. People want to be on the podcast

+Blogfront and other forum forwarders are helping us show up in search engines more

+Chatroom is starting to actually get used which is great to see

+We have got users from different groups and places already which is good considering we are a organic forum and not people hopping from one forum to a next which usually makes it easier to set up an active community


The Alright

+Shilling has not been totally useless and has brought in some good people, albeit not loads

+We can get a lot of activity in one night however I've noticed this only really occurs around Saturdays and we really struggle on weekends with 2-4 posts at most

+We do get at least 3-5 sign ups a week which ain't awful as it shows people know we are out there though it's very slow

+For a 4 month old forum (3 months public, however) we have actually got somewhere and not collapsed in the first month though we need to boost our numbers

+Many who have joined have stuck around though I've noticed it's a 50/50 split as a good few join up and then dip

+Forum is still very affordable to run and I have the finances to keep it going no problem though costs will increase as we grow


The Ugly

-I'm the only one who actively promotes this forum which makes it a struggle to bring people in. Once I go university this is a great concern to me as I won't have as much time to update the forum, shill it on other boards, make YouTube videos to promote the forum, etc.

-It's become very clear to me this forum is very off-putting to those who are uncomfortable with politically incorrect humor and general chan culture. Though this doesn't bother me too much as I rather not sensitive babies join this forum and expect me to moderate speech so they don't get offended, it does show the forum doesn't really have strong appeal for your average internet user and it may be hard for get a larger audience in

-The association with the Breakcore label, though I don't plan on changing it, does get us associated with a certain online group that can be off-putting for some people though I now also advertise this being a Jungle DnB forum alongside Breakcore which may help

-The YouTube videos, while getting plenty of likes, comments, and attention, aren't bringing in people like I hoped they would; people like the content but they just aren't joining up to the forum which makes me sad as I do enjoy making them and regardless don't plan to stop. It might just be a slow burn on that sector of things but so far everyone I've asked where they joined up from no one has said the YouTube

-People have been put off by current activity levels and haven't bothered using the forum because of them, though point of joining the forum is helping boost them up. However, point stands we need more activity for people to want to bother with the site long-term

-Due to applications such as Reddit and Discord, people are less inclined to join retro forums when those former two sites offer what we do but easier and even see the use of forums as irrelevant in the modern age. We need to convince this crowd on the reasons you should join up and the disadvantages of apps such as Discord which have negatively hurt the forum medium.


Side Notes
  • I have next to no interest in cracking down on certain elements of the site's culture because it offends people, this place was made to get away from that censorship and as long as certain elements don't get the plug pulled on us or the wrong attention diverted our way then anything goes as long as the rules are followed (https://forum.marianabay.com/threads/the-rules.2/)
  • I'm not too worried about our current growth as it's natural to somewhat stagnant when you're brand new and some forums can even take up to 2-3 years to properly pop off. Many forums quite frankly just get lucky too: they get featured in a YouTube video, they know a popular individual who can shout them out, the forum admin has an active following already, etc.
  • We need to get that Mariana Chan material done and utilized for advertisment purposes ASAP. Our beloved Dwayne will always be our primary mascot but cute anime girls sell better than a fat cat
  • Our forum should looking into something that sets us apart and can offer what other forums can't, needs looking into as in what that can be
  • New means of shilling the forum need to be looked into as we can't just shill on 4chan, Discord, and YouTube exclusively and pray that brings in results. I'm open to suggestions as always
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That's all I have to say from my observations, tell me your thoughts below and what you think we improve or look into more.
 
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Very accurate observations
-The association with the Breakcore label, though I don't plan on changing it, does get us associated with a certain online group that can be off-putting for some people though I now also advertise this being a Jungle DnB forum alongside Breakcore which may help
The forum already has other sections, perhaps you shouldn't advertise it as a "Y2K inspired Breakcore and Jungle DnB forum"
i'm sure you could pull in more users if you mentioned the other sections in the ads too
call it a "Y2K inspired general forum" and maybe go with the "pro-privacy ,anti-big-tech, anti-censorship" angle
try emphasizing the "Y2K" and old internet aspects.
 
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Observational Report on the Mariana Bay's Current Progress & Growth

Hello all, I thought I'd write up a progress report to document how the Mariana Bay is progressing and how we can improve. I'll cover what's being done well, what's ok but not great, and what's frankly bad and needs immediate looking into. This is all my personal opinion but I'm going off what I've observed and been told by people who have visited and used the site. Feel free to drop your opinions below this post for your opinions and views on this matter too as I'd appreciate them, thanks. Without further ado, let's begin with what's observed{:

THE GOOD

+People really like the site's aesthetics and layout

+Plenty of features have been added that have been received well and are used

+A good few regulars already and almost at 100 members

+Articles have loads of clicks and attention

+Good amount of threads with active discussion

+YouTube account getting loads of hits and attention. People want to be on the podcast

+Blogfront and other forum forwarders are helping us show up in search engines more

+Chatroom is starting to actually get used which is great to see

+We have got users from different groups and places already which is good considering we are a organic forum and not people hopping from one forum to a next which usually makes it easier to set up an active community


The Alright

+Shilling has not been totally useless and has brought in some good people, albeit not loads

+We can get a lot of activity in one night however I've noticed this only really occurs around Saturdays and we really struggle on weekends with 2-4 posts at most

+We do get at least 3-5 sign ups a week which ain't awful as it shows people know we are out there though it's very slow

+For a 4 month old forum (3 months public, however) we have actually got somewhere and not collapsed in the first month though we need to boost our numbers

+Many who have joined have stuck around though I've noticed it's a 50/50 split as a good few join up and then dip

+Forum is still very affordable to run and I have the finances to keep it going no problem though costs will increase as we grow


The Ugly

-I'm the only one who actively promotes this forum which makes it a struggle to bring people in. Once I go university this is a great concern to me as I won't have as much time to update the forum, shill it on other boards, make YouTube videos to promote the forum, etc.

-It's become very clear to me this forum is very off-putting to those who are uncomfortable with politically incorrect humor and general chan culture. Though this doesn't bother me too much as I rather not sensitive babies join this forum and expect me to moderate speech so they don't get offended, it does show the forum doesn't really have strong appeal for your average internet user and it may be hard for get a larger audience in

-The association with the Breakcore label, though I don't plan on changing it, does get us associated with a certain online group that can be off-putting for some people though I now also advertise this being a Jungle DnB forum alongside Breakcore which may help

-The YouTube videos, while getting plenty of likes, comments, and attention, aren't bringing in people like I hoped they would; people like the content but they just aren't joining up to the forum which makes me sad as I do enjoy making them and regardless don't plan to stop. It might just be a slow burn on that sector of things but so far everyone I've asked where they joined up from no one has said the YouTube

-People have been put off by current activity levels and haven't bothered using the forum because of them, though point of joining the forum is helping boost them up. However, point stands we need more activity for people to want to bother with the site long-term

-Due to applications such as Reddit and Discord, people are less inclined to join retro forums when those former two sites offer what we do but easier and even see the use of forums as irrelevant in the modern age. We need to convince this crowd on the reasons you should join up and the disadvantages of apps such as Discord which have negatively hurt the forum medium.


Side Notes
  • I have next to no interest in cracking down on certain elements of the site's culture because it offends people, this place was made to get away from that censorship and as long as certain elements don't get the plug pulled on us or the wrong attention diverted our way then anything goes as long as the rules are followed (https://forum.marianabay.com/threads/the-rules.2/)
  • I'm not too worried about our current growth as it's natural to somewhat stagnant when you're brand new and some forums can even take up to 2-3 years to properly pop off. Many forums quite frankly just get lucky too: they get featured in a YouTube video, they know a popular individual who can shout them out, the forum admin has an active following already, etc.
  • We need to get that Mariana Chan material done and utilized for advertisment purposes ASAP. Our beloved Dwayne will always be our primary mascot but cute anime girls sell better than a fat cat
  • Our forum should looking into something that sets us apart and can offer what other forums can't, needs looking into as in what that can be
  • New means of shilling the forum need to be looked into as we can't just shill on 4chan, Discord, and YouTube exclusively and pray that brings in results. I'm open to suggestions as always
===
That's all I have to say from my observations, tell me your thoughts below and what you think we improve or look into more.
For the moment I don't want to go to in depth, but I will offer my opinion to this. You've done more then your fair share of the work, but in order to promote the forum it has to be a united effort, truly, if it wasn't for you I couldn't be here (mind you I got banned for posting cat pics!), so with that in mind I add my honest input.

The users are nice and you're a fair owner,
the people have a history to them,
the mods are kind.

What I can do is make post regarding the following:
literature-posting pdf's and links to websites of an education source.

video's- old games, let's play's, documentaries about animals and philosophy.

my post- poetry, essays, cat post, making terrible jokes about joe mama.

All in all, to help you along the way, I can post documentaries, hold discussions, share my life's experience, write about philosophical and common topics. This forum as far as I've used it has been nice and comfy. So in this respect, I will give you everything I got until I'm a dried up fish. Until then, don't worry, your mods are quality and fair, you've done more then your fair share and just gotta wait for the time to reap what you sowed, so let us on our part do the labor of putting in the effort that you deserve.

Yours truly, the hierophant, Xunzi.
 

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Dwayne

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Very accurate observations

The forum already has other sections, perhaps you shouldn't advertise it as a "Y2K inspired Breakcore and Jungle DnB forum"
i'm sure you could pull in more users if you mentioned the other sections in the ads too
call it a "Y2K inspired general forum" and maybe go with the "pro-privacy ,anti-big-tech, anti-censorship" angle
try emphasizing the "Y2K" and old internet aspects.
I do mention other sections in the ads
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However those additional terms are worth the consideration... The music theme is still sticking however though I might sideline the Breakcore part though this will be done gradually. Ultimately, I'm passionate about music, especially the genres I like, and I rather not get rid of it.
For the moment I don't want to go to in depth, but I will offer my opinion to this. You've done more then your fair share of the work, but in order to promote the forum it has to be a united effort, truly, if it wasn't for you I couldn't be here (mind you I got banned for posting cat pics!), so with that in mind I add my honest input.

The users are nice and you're a fair owner,
the people have a history to them,
the mods are kind.

What I can do is make post regarding the following:
literature-posting pdf's and links to websites of an education source.

video's- old games, let's play's, documentaries about animals and philosophy.

my post- poetry, essays, cat post, making terrible jokes about joe mama.

All in all, to help you along the way, I can post documentaries, hold discussions, share my life's experience, write about philosophical and common topics. This forum as far as I've used it has been nice and comfy. So in this respect, I will give you everything I got until I'm a dried up fish. Until then, don't worry, your mods are quality and fair, you've done more then your fair share and just gotta wait for the time to reap what you sowed, so let us on our part do the labor of putting in the effort that you deserve.

Yours truly, the hierophant, Xunzi.
I agree it has to be a united effort but as the owner I still have to make the most effort as it's my forum and my responsibility ultimately, I pray others help more and some have a lot to be fair, but yeah more must be done especially once I'm at uni and can't work on this loads.

I appreciate the contributions you've proposed, thanks.

Also thanks for the kind words, I agree it will take time but we will get where we need to be soon enough.
 

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Make a "Woman Hate Thread" to contain the incels. Also make a "Man Hate Thread" to level the playing field and make sure potential new members dont think this is another incel forum
 

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Make a "Woman Hate Thread" to contain the incels. Also make a "Man Hate Thread" to level the playing field and make sure potential new members dont think this is another incel forum
I was honestly considering a Blackpill General to contain Tedposter's rants on wanting to right hander the "foids" but it just feels so risky as I do not want to direct *that* attention to this site, I made this as a place for my friends and others who joined to discuss our hobbies and interests without having to worry about shady admins or getting nuked at any given time like on an app such as Discord. I'm gonna feel I'm going to struggle to advertise this place if I'm gonna have angsty incels on here posting their life stories and angry rants on why women should be sent to camps.

I'll elaborate more on this later as I gotta get back to work now but feel free throw ideas on how to make this work while I'm gone.
 

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I was honestly considering a Blackpill General to contain Tedposter's rants on wanting to right hander the "foids" but it just feels so risky as I do not want to direct *that* attention to this site, I made this as a place for my friends and others who joined to discuss our hobbies and interests without having to worry about shady admins or getting nuked at any given time like on an app such as Discord. I'm gonna feel I'm going to struggle to advertise this place if I'm gonna have angsty incels on here posting their life stories and angry rants on why women should be sent to camps.

I'll elaborate more on this later as I gotta get back to work now but feel free throw ideas on how to make this work while I'm gone.
Cont.

An idea I personally had, and may do when the site rebrand happens, is an off-topic/low quality post board to contain these sort of posts, see it as the site's /b/. No, women hate won't be allowed but there will be somewhat more leniency towards those sorts of posts, also I can throw all current posts like it in there too.

You're not alone in finding the incely posts annoying as @ignika98 brought this up too so this containment board would be handy as I'll make sure new posts on there don't appear on the front page too. This will also allow people to do jokey shitpost threads without annoying other users and generally will clean up the boards so only threads with effort and purpose will be more visible to users on the main boards.
 

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An idea I personally had, and may do when the site rebrand happens, is an off-topic/low quality post board to contain these sort of posts, see it as the site's /b/
This is pretty much what you've gotta do to keep from attracting too many Brazilians lmao... I think the forum software your using also lets you make certain subforums private to non-users so you can shield non-users from the schizoid containment facility that is the /b/ section. Doing that also keeps you from getting too much heat if someone posts something particularly egregious.
 

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This is pretty much what you've gotta do to keep from attracting too many Brazilians lmao... I think the forum software your using also lets you make certain subforums private to non-users so you can shield non-users from the schizoid containment facility that is the /b/ section. Doing that also keeps you from getting too much heat if someone posts something particularly egregious.
Yeah exactly, that's the plan, might even add it beforehand this weekend as I think we need it. While I don't care too much about how much how the outside sees us I *do* care when certain content can actively harm our forum and put off people joining, and to be honest, incel content is one of the worst forum destroyers there is. It may be fine for certain people as they aren't footing the bill to this place and can fuck off elsewhere once their blackpill discussions bore the fuck out of what userbase there is, but it ain't with me; I made this place so people could talk about their interest and hobbies, not "Why can't I get my willy wet" thread 205. While I don't want to ban these discussions entirely or censor anyone, I do believe they are mundane and add nothing of value here, and a quarantine for them seems best so they can chat all about it all there to their heart's content, therefore actual good and quality threads can flourish. It's a fair trade off since certain users can't go to one of the million incel forums or discords to discuss this stuff.
 

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incel content is one of the worst forum destroyers there is. It may be fine for certain people as they aren't footing the bill to this place and can fuck off elsewhere once their blackpill discussions bore the fuck out of what userbase there is, but it ain't with me; I made this place so people could talk about their interest and hobbies, not "Why can't I get my willy wet" thread 205.
Yeah, it just leads to endless discussions that go no where because everybody just wants to fling shit at the other 50% of the population. Also, I have a lot of empathy for incels because I'm well aware of what natural awkwardness/introverted-ness mixed with depression and loneliness does to a mf but some people make it their whole personality and its no different than those people on like tiktok who get a kick out of publishing lists of their mental health diagnoses and flaunting their self-proclaimed victimhood like its some sort of fashion accessory.
Tedposter's rants on wanting to right hander the "foids"
I challenge Tedposter to fight me irl, I'm pretty sure the average height for Brazilian pigmies is like 4'9" so I think I can take him
 

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Yeah, it just leads to endless discussions that go no where because everybody just wants to fling shit at the other 50% of the population. Also, I have a lot of empathy for incels because I'm well aware of what natural awkwardness/introverted-ness mixed with depression and loneliness does to a mf but some people make it their whole personality and its no different than those people on like tiktok who get a kick out of publishing lists of their mental health diagnoses and flaunting their self-proclaimed victimhood like its some sort of fashion accessory.
No the thing is I have a lot of empathy too as I used to be that guy: very awkward, would weird women out, barely got any dates, etc. Ofc I never truly was an incel, a mentalcel if anything, but it took me ages to get to a point where I was getting laid and getting romantic companionship. I know how horrible loneliness is and feeling like you have no one, and I don't even disagree with the blackpill too as no shit looks are very important in dating, that's how people even take interest in each other in the first place. My issue with incel threads mainly stem from the fact, as like you said, these discussions go in circles, achieve nothing but hatred and hostility, and just produce annoying spam-tier content for the forum.

I actually like Tedposter, he has supported this place since day one and you can have a good discussion with him outside the blackpill stuff. He ain't a bad guy and probably has gone through his fair share of shit that has unfortunately really affected him negatively that he does want somewhere where he can let some of his frustration out, its just how he goes about it I disagree with. I hope he can agree to this compromise at the very least.
I challenge Tedposter to fight me irl, I'm pretty sure the average height for Brazilian pigmies is like 4'9" so I think I can take him
@Tedposter You hear that? You wanna throw down with her?
 

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No the thing is I have a lot of empathy too as I used to be that guy: very awkward, would weird women out, barely got any dates, etc.
Dating aside, I'm still that awkward person lol the shitty thing is that, where chicks will think you're just creepy and avoid you because you're a guy, they'll assume I'm a massive bitch thinks she's too who's to good to socialize with them and some will actually confront me on it. Women really actually do fucking suck, incels are right about that.
I actually like Tedposter, he has supported this place since day one and you can have a good discussion with him outside the blackpill stuff. He ain't a bad guy and probably has gone through his fair share of shit that has unfortunately really affected him negatively that he does want somewhere where he can let some of his frustration out
Never hurts to also have a vent/mental health/advice thread, too.
 

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There is innate conflicting issues with trying to build an oldnet community.
Main issue is the vast amount of normies who are on the internet are not used to anything but social media. Even on discord which was originally created as an amalgamation of vidya communication tools (skype, voip, teamspeak) has idiots doxx themselves like it is instagram or whatever trying to get likes and E-peen for their shitposting..
There is a reason online vidya players have monikers in the first place and anonymity if the main reason!.

That ties into the second issue, these people dont want anonymity, they want all their ego inflation likes and shit like that to be documented. They don't want to have teh lulz and shitpost, they want to be taken seriously and their words (despite just being shit) to be seen as a testament to the "quality" of their character and documented for all to see....and give them likes for.

Lastly, you need to actually find the people who want anonymity, people who shitpost for fun and in most cases these are older people, internet 1.0 people (like myself) who remember the days of just shitposting and having fun with other people online.

So if you want to shill to these people you have to do it in the communities these people have migrated to.
Chan sites 4chan, 8chan, zoomerchan etc, even reddit to some degree, IRC, ED, discord, dark net shitposting forums, and other old school forums.
Shame is that lots of these communities have been killed, destroyed by invaders from within, or in 4chans case daily raiding and attempts to destroy.

Obviously advertising as in making ads for other sites is an option but really you don't want to infest the forum with retards who are too retarded to install an ad blocker, and low quality phone posters.

Anyway the shilling is the reason I am here so it can work.

God speed, I will do my part when I can but I am not a shill I would only direct a person who is actively asking for a safe haven away from the cancer of modern day internet 2.0 sites.
 

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There is innate conflicting issues with trying to build an oldnet community.
Main issue is the vast amount of normies who are on the internet are not used to anything but social media. Even on discord which was originally created as an amalgamation of vidya communication tools (skype, voip, teamspeak) has idiots doxx themselves like it is instagram or whatever trying to get likes and E-peen for their shitposting..
There is a reason online vidya players have monikers in the first place and anonymity if the main reason!.

That ties into the second issue, these people dont want anonymity, they want all their ego inflation likes and shit like that to be documented. They don't want to have teh lulz and shitpost, they want to be taken seriously and their words (despite just being shit) to be seen as a testament to the "quality" of their character and documented for all to see....and give them likes for.

Lastly, you need to actually find the people who want anonymity, people who shitpost for fun and in most cases these are older people, internet 1.0 people (like myself) who remember the days of just shitposting and having fun with other people online.

So if you want to shill to these people you have to do it in the communities these people have migrated to.
Chan sites 4chan, 8chan, zoomerchan etc, even reddit to some degree, IRC, ED, discord, dark net shitposting forums, and other old school forums.
Shame is that lots of these communities have been killed, destroyed by invaders from within, or in 4chans case daily raiding and attempts to destroy.

Obviously advertising as in making ads for other sites is an option but really you don't want to infest the forum with retards who are too retarded to install an ad blocker, and low quality phone posters.

Anyway the shilling is the reason I am here so it can work.

God speed, I will do my part when I can but I am not a shill I would only direct a person who is actively asking for a safe haven away from the cancer of modern day internet 2.0 sites.
It's difficult my man as even with newer oldnet forums many of them have become compromised. You look at many old net forums in the old web movement and they have become way too tolerant towards people who shouldn't be tolerated in the first place as they are a slow cancer to whatever community they touch, you know the people I'm talking about. Many of us know a forum that this happened too, started to move away from the chan culture but became too tolerant towards those of the Discord culture, and now certain ex members of that site barely like using that site due to these people being more and more prevalent there. You have to be so careful who you are tolerant towards and this is one of the things that terrifies me about this forum's future as if I'm too lenient towards certain groups and the elements tied to them this place could go shit.

You just need a certain equilibrium I believe, its OK to call the mods gay, its OK to have a bit of banter and troll around a bit, just don't actively shit up the forum and ruin the forum experience for everyone else yknow? Also, as stated in the rules, there's certain things I can't tolerate but that's only because this isn't an anonymous board, having identities tied to accounts and all, and I rather this place don't get taken down by our host lmao. To be honest most people who have joined so far have been very reasonable and chill with the rules laid out in front of them and I'm grateful for what we've built up so far as I do like the community I've created a lot.
 

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Never bow down to the masses. You'll make the site worse and won't get anything in return, guaranteed. Those same "people" who shun free-speech are themselves incapable of having an actual conversation, they can only hugbox. No reason to ever want them.

The site looks good. Here's an idea: add to the rules or some other highly-viewed stickied place a recommendation to activate Push notifications. Average Joe forgot about the site, then gets a desktop popup about a reply in one of his thread, and bam he's back
 
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